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vtc not rotating?

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#1 ·
So i'm having a problem with my intake cam not following the camcmd. First off the car is an ek with a stock k24a2. No matter what i try, I can't get the cam to follow its commands, swapped out the vtc gear and vtc oil solenoid, still no luck. Car runs/drives fine otherwise. Anyone have any ideas?
 
#6 ·
did you check the VTC filter screen? (just to the left of #1 intake runner) check oil pressure?

I found on k24a2 & k20z3 swaps running 02-04 k20a/k20a2/k20a3 engine harness - that when running a RBB vtc solenoid actual VTC "jitters" around the camcmd by about +/- 8 to 10 degrees constantly going back & forth between over the command to under. I replaced it with a PNC (stock k20a/k20a2/k20a3) vtc solenoid & the problem was solved.

what engine harness are you running? if you are running stock tsx harness that may be the problem.

when you changed the cam gear - I assume you checked the cam to make sure it wasn't clogged with sludge.

can you post up your calibration & some datalogs?
 
#9 ·
hmmm... do you have any error codes showing in K-pro? please check. also I would definitely grab the serial # from k-pro & call hondata & ask them to verify that its not a 05-06 version.

yes VTC screen is behind the small box to left of the #1 intake runner on the front of the motor.

this may sound stupid - but "Download" the map from the ECU to your laptop & make sure the VTC tables aren't all "0"...

also another one that may sound stupid is under "VTEC" in k-pro do you have a check mark next to "VTC"?

I know someone that had issues with the crank sensor. problems persisted after swapping this & trying that. turns out it was a bad clip/plug on the harness. make sure to carefully check the pins... if you can try another known working K-pro ECU and or harness it could really help

one last possible issue is maybe one or both of the cam sensors on the otherside of the head is dead or gone bad. in this case your vtc may be working but the sensor cant read it as working.

good luck - keep us posted :up:
 
#10 ·
I've checked for error codes, and none are present.
Checked the plug/pins and they are good.
Tried swapping harnesses with no luck.
I've loaded and unloaded the cal with all different types of cam angles just in case with no luck.
VTC is enabled I've checked it and uploaded, then unchecked it and unploaded, then rechecked it with no success.
I'll check the VTC screen, I thought that was for vtec only which engages fine, and I'll call hondata about the serial number. Also maybe I can find someone willing to let me try their ecu
 
#11 ·
damn sorry I don't have any better ideas

where are you located? I might be able to find another k-pro user in your area. just in case I would try your ECU in another person's car before trying the other way around. just incase something is wrong in your wiring & I would hate to see you damage someone else's k-pro
 
#12 ·
I ran into this twice in the past few weeks... first one was I wasn't getting a iat reading so the vtc wouldn't activate... second was a damaged ecu...switch a dif kpro and it started working
 
#15 ·
i had this problem as well.

i changed out the vtc penis and the tct and problem was gone.
 
#16 ·
update to this thread: been busy lately so I hadn't messed with it, found someone local to test my kpro in their kpro'd rsx. On his car car, his kpro would rotate everything normally, my kpro wouldn't. So I know now that my Kpro is faulty. I email hondata about the issue and they asked me for the kpro daughterboard serial number and the ecu serial number, I provide it. They tell me according to their database, they didn't install that daughterboard into that particular ecu, so they cannot help me. So now I'm stuck possibly having to buy a new kpro unless I can convince hondata to fix it for me.
 
#19 ·
The bolt connecting the VTC gear and intake cam was over torque by a lot. Can this cause damage to my VTC gear?

Because I noticed lately that my cam angle and camCMD angle are off by 1-4 degrees. Usually at 50 degrees camCMD, the actual cam angle is 46 degrees. If I am at 25 degrees camCMD, the actual cam angle is 24 cam. There are times when the cam and camCMD are the same but more likely it is off.

I never look at this part of the datalog, so I do not know if it was doing this before or after the over torque bolt
 
#22 ·
Xenocron, whatcha do for the OP out of curiousity? Are you a Hondata dealer?