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Block guard users - beware.

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#1 · (Edited)
Spend a lot of time and money for my new K22 rotrex build but a shitty part like that supertech block guard cost me 4 pistons lot of money and a lot of frustration.
When started to gather all parts for my build without any research for different block guards decided to go for supertech coz already had valvetrain from them and know that it's a decent company with good products.

After a typical market search ordered from eBay ericperformance shop what was advertised as a k20 block guard early 2013 and last June my K22 engine was ready to roll.

When first startup we had major engine coolant circulating issues and took us more that 2 hours to bleed up the system,we did everything like lift up the front manually pump hoses etc and finally made it work.

Coolant temp was few degrees higher than normal but fan was working and went down so nothing worried me about for what was coming next.

Went to dyno after 500miles breaking period and made a decent 517ps on a dynapack hub dyno and during my first ride with my buddies and some street racing big white smoke came out of my exhaust.

Took off head and pistons from 1 to 4 progressively shrunk and on 3 and 4 were signs of material missing.

Preignition on hot spots due to poor cooling on combustion chamber was the cause.

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After some reading here and there found from pictures that there are many different block guards on the market with different shapes and the one I got was the most restrictive to coolant circulation.

This is what used
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Here is what should have used

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After all that I learned my lesson for the future when searching for parts.
 
#2 ·
Sorry to hear about that man.... Block guards are almost NEVER used on K series and that's been known for quite a few years now.. Not sure how you ended up being sold on the idea of it. Majority of members here speak out against it as well.
 
#5 ·
Block guards are almost NEVER used on K series and that's been known for quite a few years now.. Not sure how you ended up being sold on the idea of it. Majority of members here speak out against it as well.
Honestly Alex you probably would have been better off with nothing at all.. 5,6,7xx hp has never really been an issue on stock sleeves
Agreed.
 
#3 ·
Didn't do my homework well.
If I could afford it I would sleeved the block but here in Greece it's a 1600 usd cost to do.
 
#4 ·
Honestly Alex you probably would have been better off with nothing at all.. 5,6,7xx hp has never really been an issue on stock sleeves
 
#6 ·
The only "block guard" I ever recommend to anyone is the CNCWerx CSS system, although I am a huge fan of either just leaving the damn sleeves stock (for anything under 800-850hp), or just pony up to the plate and pay Dan Benson for a set of quality sleeves.
 
#7 · (Edited)
The only "block guard" I ever recommend to anyone is the CNCWerx CSS system, although I am a huge fan of either just leaving the damn sleeves stock (for anything under 800-850hp), or just pony up to the plate and pay Dan Benson for a set of quality sleeves.
lol.. There you go.... No middle ground.... Stock sleeves or sleeves...


for anything under 800-850hp
I agree completely with this statement..
 
#8 · (Edited)
Stock cylinder bored to 87mm that's why a block guard is used.
It was the only way to strengthen cylinders for boost.

That supertech piece of shit unfortunately it was the worst I could get.
 
#9 ·
Stock cylinder bored to 87mm that's why a block guard is used.
It was the only way to strengthen cylinders for boost.

Unfortunately it was the worst I could get.
K20's and k24's have extremely strong sleeves from the factory. Like everyone else is saying there's really no reason to sleeve the block unless you plan on making 750+ I'm running a completely stock k24 making 556/412 and 19psi. There are plenty of people on here making killer power on stock sleeves.
 
#14 ·
That I know, didn't know that it's useless for my setup.
 
#15 ·
sorry but TUNING was the issue with that engine not a block guard.....

block guard didn't help but it was not the issue....too much timing or not enough fuel cause the pistons to melt.....the block guard had nothing to with the pistons melting.....

block guard if any will change piston to wall clearance at the very top or possibly crack a wall.

sorry for your loss....
 
#16 ·
Have datalogs from first engine start up and during brake in period and on the dyno also, nothing to justify that.
My tuner is a professional hondata specialist for almost 10years.

Fuel pressure was 3bar idle 5+ wot
Ignition advance was 17.5 degrees after 8000rpm to rev limiter
AFR was 12:1-11.8:1 5th wot
Only ECT was few degrees more than used to be before boring and bg installed.
 
#17 ·
can't take it out or go sleeved right now.

If I machined it lowering it on top and drill holes for the coolant to find its way should I see and difference or its a lost cause?
 
#19 ·
It's a rotrex not turbo, on my previous C30-94 with 11.7:1 CR was 21 degrees at 1bar for more than 2 years and 25k miles.
 
#24 · (Edited)
I think the point was, compressed air is compressed air. The ideal gas law equation PV = nRT has no factor for how the air gets compressed. That said, I can see how air coming out of a turbocharger might have been heated slightly by heat coming through the turbo shaft from the turbine sidel. However, even the Rotrex has a lot of heat in its oil and gearbox.
 
#25 ·
with 30°C ambiant temp,i have less than 40°C at WOT and 8000tr with more than 16Psi with rotrex.EGT are lower than 700°C...
so,the heat produced by the combustion is like on NA engines...

the stress of the pistons and rods are,yes,the same with rotrex or turbo because,as you said,boost is boost.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Block guard was causing overheating issues because on k20z engines there is a rubber coolant flow diverter thing into water jacket which diverts coolant flow through the head for better cooling to avoid hot spots on the combustion chambers and it's removed.
 
#27 ·
that coolant line running to the head should never be removed. did you not have one?
 
#28 ·
Nothing on the external lines changed if that's what you mean.

That on the photo only removed from the block to fit the bg.
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