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You will be hard pressed to find a lighter rod/piston combo than stock. My Wiseco's and UltraLite's weigh more than K24A1's and almost the same as the TSX rods and pistons. So unless you have ti rods and a skeletonized piston I doubt it will be lighter. The object with the forged components is not lightness but strength.
 
Hey Talon, do you know if the K20Z3 oil pump fits in the K20A2 oil pan? I assume that any K-series that came with balance shafts would be compatible so that just leaves the question of the RSX-S one.
 
I was wondering how similar the K24A2 pump is to the K24A1 and K20Z3.
 
I just tried this mod... Well, the K20Z3 cover (the part you had to modify) is in the way of my K24A2 rods or rod bolts... I was turning my crank by hand and noticed I couldn't get to TDC. Took off the K20Z3 pump and the crank turns fine. In the K24A2, the rod bolts can clear since there's the cutout in the K24A2 pump.

I'm pretty sure it's my rod bolts hitting... What rods and rod bolts are you using in the example above?
 
I just tried this mod... Well, the K20Z3 cover (the part you had to modify) is in the way of my K24A2 rods or rod bolts... I was turning my crank by hand and noticed I couldn't get to TDC. Took off the K20Z3 pump and the crank turns fine. In the K24A2, the rod bolts can clear since there's the cutout in the K24A2 pump.

I'm pretty sure it's my rod bolts hitting... What rods and rod bolts are you using in the example above?

I had a similar problem when I tried this. I know this thread is fairly old, but I thought I'd respond with what I did-

I ended up using the "top" of the K24A2 oil pump/balance shaft case that has the areas cut out of it. those areas seem to be cut out specifically to clear the stock counterweights. I used the bottom of the K20Z3 balance shaft case because it has the different oil pump design attached. this allowed me to use the K20Z3 oil pump and rotor setup.

this required a slight amount of modification- the oil pumps use different dowel pin guides, and I had to use some vide grips to crush the hollow ones so I could pull them out of the K24A2 top housing. every bolt except one lined up when I put the top and bottom pieces together.

this setup would have allowed me to use either the K24A2 or K20Z3 balance shafts, but for whatever reason, I used the K20Z3 balance shafts. now I'm beginning to wonder if this was a good idea- at the time I didn't think that the larger size of the TSX balance shafts might be for the larger crank size.
 
the last picture on in the first post, which is the z3?

i am going to put a k24 bottom on my z3 head....i cant use my pump on the z3 block?

The Z3 pump gear has rounded "teeth," and has something like 10 of them. the K20A only has something like 6 "teeth" and the K24A2, although it has the same number of teeth as the K20Z3, has flat-topped "teeth." Kinda.

In addition, there are differences with the pump housing itself. the area that the oil is allowed to feed-through is a different shape and size.

If you want to use the K20Z3 pump, you'll have to use the K24A2 top half and frankenstein them together. Otherwise, drop 200 or so on a K20A/K20Z1 pump... After rebuilding my Z3 pump, I seriously wish I'd bought a new K20Z1 pump because the balance shafts and housings are expensive! Of course, if you aren't rebuilding a motor, this shouldn't be an issue.
 
The Z3 pump gear has rounded "teeth," and has something like 10 of them. the K20A only has something like 6 "teeth" and the K24A2, although it has the same number of teeth as the K20Z3, has flat-topped "teeth." Kinda.

In addition, there are differences with the pump housing itself. the area that the oil is allowed to feed-through is a different shape and size.

If you want to use the K20Z3 pump, you'll have to use the K24A2 top half and frankenstein them together. Otherwise, drop 200 or so on a K20A/K20Z1 pump... After rebuilding my Z3 pump, I seriously wish I'd bought a new K20Z1 pump because the balance shafts and housings are expensive! Of course, if you aren't rebuilding a motor, this shouldn't be an issue.
i am buying a complete longblock, looking at the a4 and the a1. i want to do this right the first time...so suggestion is buy the k20z1 pump (out of a ??) and the whole housing will mount up?

thanks i really appreciate your help
 
i am buying a complete longblock, looking at the a4 and the a1. i want to do this right the first time...so suggestion is buy the k20z1 pump (out of a ??) and the whole housing will mount up?

thanks i really appreciate your help

If you're doing a turbo setup, and changing out the crank and pistons, I'd recommend getting a K20Z1 oil pump from an Acura RSX-S. contact your local Acura dealership, if you know someone, great- otherwise, expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 or so. Remember, if you want to do it right the first time, and you have the money available, it can't hurt to buy a new pump.

the oil pump should bolt directly up without an issue. :thumb:
 
If you're doing a turbo setup, and changing out the crank and pistons, I'd recommend getting a K20Z1 oil pump from an Acura RSX-S. contact your local Acura dealership, if you know someone, great- otherwise, expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 or so. Remember, if you want to do it right the first time, and you have the money available, it can't hurt to buy a new pump.

the oil pump should bolt directly up without an issue. :thumb:
I am still debating on what I should do, things just changed in my life. :down:

I want to know a complete part list for the swap, but keep getting bits of information about the pump and water pump and so on.

I need all of k20z1/a2 oil system pump assembly and baffle. Also, k24 water pump.
 
I am still debating on what I should do, things just changed in my life. :down:

I want to know a complete part list for the swap, but keep getting bits of information about the pump and water pump and so on.

I need all of k20z1/a2 oil system pump assembly and baffle. Also, k24 water pump.


you'll need to use your K20Z3 water pump if you're going to use the oil cooler. the two pumps are different- the K24 pump doesn't have the same setup to run an oil cooler.
 
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The Z3 will require modification to work(alot more expensive)
 
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