Hi there! Prepare for large wall of text!
I'm planning out my RX8 K Swap and just wanted to get some feedback on it. Timeline for this is quite far into the future for some of these things but the actual build should hopefully start in Q1 2024 (if nothing suprises me and my wallet in the meantime) with actual part gathering around November if things get cheaper during Black Friday. I'm preparing double my budget hence why the build starting later. I'd be doing the work myself.
Now for the basics. The plan is for this car to be a daily driver (so needs to keep the AC!) or weekend car with track capabilities and for something for me to tinker with. It should hopefully be a nice base for learning to go fast and adjusting my power needs as time goes on. I want to keep as much as the factory systems working as possible. I'm planning this build in stages so any info or thoughts on any stage would be nice. Since I am located in the UK, I don't have access to the good stuff worldwide without paying massive amounts of import tax (thanks Brexit!) so trying to keep buying parts as much within the UK as possible. This would be running on E5 (99 RON) or E10 (95 octane) fuel depending on what stage I'm at with the build and never race fuel since E85 isn't readily available here as far as I'm aware.
Stage 1 - Proof of Concept
This is it just getting it working so a basic K24A engine using DBW with an aftermarket ECU to get it all working. I'd be using the SAS Autoworks 6 speed swap kit and exhaust headers since they're located in the UK. Minimal cutting and welding to the subframe and firewall so should be good. I'll be trying to use as many OEM parts as possible from both Honda and Mazda.
Funnily enough, due to high import fees the cost optimal solution for intake is a Yamaha R1 ITB setup with adapter plate becuase the Kpower RWD intake manifold is like £732 and the Skunk2 one is around £600 and needing an intake coolant adapter while the ITB setup is under £400 for everything, lol. This is the most thought out stage with excel sheets and formulas optimising cost and features but I do have some questions about this though.

Stage 2 - RPM bump
This would be a minor engine internal upgrade to try and bump up the max RPM reliably. This could be done not long after stage 1 so there is a bit of thought put into this. I've read that it's the head of the engine that determines max RPM rather than the lower block so here are my questions. Note that the high RPM would pretty much only be used on track and maybe during the motorway for a bit of light fun on the commute.
Power target is 260HP and a redline of 8200RPM, hoping for 9000RPM to match the rotary.
REMOVED - deemed unnecessary if going to FI in the future
Stage3 2 - Supercharger
The only reason I would want a supercharger over a turbo is the sound it makes. That's literally it. This would be done once I'd feel comfortable going for more power.
On a more practical note, I'd want a positive displacement SC over a centrifugal SC or turbo since this is a daily driver and I rather have the power in the lower band of the range where it'd send most of its time there while being predictable in its boost graph. The most likely candidate for this is Mercracing's TVS 1900 RWD kit along with a fuel system upgrade to return style. It'd probably swap to the regular Accord DBW throttle body and ditching the ITBs. Questions about this stage:
Stage 4 - Experimental
Most of this stuff is probably not happening ever or is super far into the future but I do like to muse about these things
I'm planning out my RX8 K Swap and just wanted to get some feedback on it. Timeline for this is quite far into the future for some of these things but the actual build should hopefully start in Q1 2024 (if nothing suprises me and my wallet in the meantime) with actual part gathering around November if things get cheaper during Black Friday. I'm preparing double my budget hence why the build starting later. I'd be doing the work myself.
Now for the basics. The plan is for this car to be a daily driver (so needs to keep the AC!) or weekend car with track capabilities and for something for me to tinker with. It should hopefully be a nice base for learning to go fast and adjusting my power needs as time goes on. I want to keep as much as the factory systems working as possible. I'm planning this build in stages so any info or thoughts on any stage would be nice. Since I am located in the UK, I don't have access to the good stuff worldwide without paying massive amounts of import tax (thanks Brexit!) so trying to keep buying parts as much within the UK as possible. This would be running on E5 (99 RON) or E10 (95 octane) fuel depending on what stage I'm at with the build and never race fuel since E85 isn't readily available here as far as I'm aware.
Stage 1 - Proof of Concept
This is it just getting it working so a basic K24A engine using DBW with an aftermarket ECU to get it all working. I'd be using the SAS Autoworks 6 speed swap kit and exhaust headers since they're located in the UK. Minimal cutting and welding to the subframe and firewall so should be good. I'll be trying to use as many OEM parts as possible from both Honda and Mazda.
Funnily enough, due to high import fees the cost optimal solution for intake is a Yamaha R1 ITB setup with adapter plate becuase the Kpower RWD intake manifold is like £732 and the Skunk2 one is around £600 and needing an intake coolant adapter while the ITB setup is under £400 for everything, lol. This is the most thought out stage with excel sheets and formulas optimising cost and features but I do have some questions about this though.
- Engine choice is either K24A3 (equivalent to US's A2) or a JDM K24A for £50 more. As far as I'm aware, the JDM has a 11:1 CR and the A3 has 10.5:1 CR so the JDM produces a little bit more power but the JDM water-housing and alternator is different. I'll need to delete the power steering pump and will need an EP3 idler pulley but I don't know if the JDM specific parts would interfer with it or not. If the JDM specific parts do interfer, would the JDM K24A be worth the extra hassle and what else would be needed? (I'm assuming a new alternator and water pump housing)
- ANSWERED - power is negligible and lower CR means better off using 95 octane fuel, going for K24A3
- For ECU choice, I'm thinking of getting a kit with an Ecumaster EMU Black that has the wiring loom and wideband O2 sensor. Would this be a suitable ECU for a newbie like me or should I go for something like a Haltech 1500? I'm no stranger to wiring things up, if I have a wiring diagram I'm good.
- I've seen some eBay wiring harnesses for K swaps that are dirt cheap, are they worth grabbing if I'm going to cut it up anyway for the plugs or is a more ideal solution to find a wrecked Accord and cut up the loom from that?
- ANSWERED - luck of the draw when it comes to ebay harnesses, better off making from scratch
- The RX8 uses a returnless fuel system but most k swap builds I've seen on YouTube use a return-style fuel system. Would I be able to use the stock Mazda fuel system (if mods are needed, what are they?) and just connect it to the stock Honda fuel rail or would I have to change it to a return-style as well?
- ANSWERED - works just as, connect fuel line to rail
- As far as I'm aware, there's 2 O2 sensors in the car. One before the cat and one after. Does that mean I need 2 wideband O2 sensors or just the 1 before the cat and ignore the 2nd one?
- ANSWERED - second is used for cat efficiency and emissions, would be nice to have as street car
- In terms of engine parts needed for a RWD setup, I should only need a rear coolant housing and the idler pulley to delete the power steering. Is there anything else I might be missing? Swap kit has gearbox adapter and engine mounts
Part upgrades - K20 oil pump, VTC 50 degree gear, camshaftsWhat is the highest RPM the stock piston, rods and crankshaft can take reliably for a daily driver?What is needed to get a redline of 9000RPM safely? Can it be done with camshafts alone or would the springs and retainers needed to be changed as well?What set of camshafts can be dropped in with no other changes to the head to produce the most HP and redline?Is a camshaft upgrade even necessary if I wanted to go FI in the future?
REMOVED - deemed unnecessary if going to FI in the future
Stage
The only reason I would want a supercharger over a turbo is the sound it makes. That's literally it. This would be done once I'd feel comfortable going for more power.
On a more practical note, I'd want a positive displacement SC over a centrifugal SC or turbo since this is a daily driver and I rather have the power in the lower band of the range where it'd send most of its time there while being predictable in its boost graph. The most likely candidate for this is Mercracing's TVS 1900 RWD kit along with a fuel system upgrade to return style. It'd probably swap to the regular Accord DBW throttle body and ditching the ITBs. Questions about this stage:
- I've heard the stock internals could handle about 450HP reliably, what's the forum's concensus on this?
- INFO - at 450HP, need to gap the rings but otherwise fine
- Would going forged internals be ideal at this stage or is stock parts still fine?
- ANSWERED - don't, stock internals are fine
- What is an ideal CR for an engine when using pump fuel and being SC? Reliability is my main goal.
- ANSWERED - A3's CR of 10.5 should be fine
Stage 4 - Experimental
Most of this stuff is probably not happening ever or is super far into the future but I do like to muse about these things
Electronic supercharger pulley upgrade - allow disabling the supercharger so it can revert back to a NA engine and be more fuel efficient- UPDATE - doesn't actually make it more fuel efficient, kinda dumb then
- Keep ITBs with supercharger - would probably reduce power, I do wonder how this would sound?
- UPDATE - dumb idea, not worth the extra hassle
- Twincharged turbo upgrade - not practical in the slightest compared to a dual TC system but if I ever do decide to go "fuck it, full race mode", it would be an interesting project. Had the idea with the electronic pulley to basically have 4 modes of driving - NA, TC, SC, SC + TB. I could have both SC whine AND a TC BOV noises
- ZF8HP swap - if I ever decide a manual is too annoying for daily driving or I want to chase lap times, this might be the way to go. Saw some videos on these ZF8 swaps and have some ideas on making it function like a manual with a clutch pedal and a gear stick.
- ZF8HP70X swap - same as the ZF8HP but depending on the space left in the engine bay after the engine swap and supercharger, it might be possible to convert it to 4WD using the BMW xDrive system with some custom front hubs and front diff. Very unlikely to happen but an interesting thought.
- In-wheel motors for front wheels - been seeing videos on hybrid swaps where people add an electronic assist to the wheels that don't get the engine power, would be interesting to see where this tech goes and if it ever gets viable for me to use.