[katman]

So the 1030 is for an rsx, and the 1070 is for a swap?....I am running the entire wiring harness from an 05 rsx-S including the stock ecu, so basically my swap is considered a rsx-S, so i would need the 1030? Need answers ASAP!!

(page 5 ownage!)

That is correct on the part numbers.

What vehicle are you using the 05 DC5 harness in?


Here's the thing with the 1070 & 1030..

1070 is what AEM dubs the 'swap box'. It's the ecu to use in K-swap cars like EF/EG/DA/DC2, but can also be used in an 02-04 RSX as well but you will lose some multiplexor functionality such as A/C controls and a couple other cluster controls.

1030 on the other hand is designed to be used in 02-04 RSX, 01-05 civic, and 02-04 CRV but RETAIN functionality of the multiplexor's functionalities (A/C & other cluster controls). This is why it piggy backs the stock ecu. As a bonus, this ecu can also be used as a 'swap box' just like the 1070 because you can disable the multiplexor functions you don't need at all when doing a K-swap in older chassis's.

The 1030 EMS costs about $200 more than a 1070 box, so this is something to consider when purchasing.

On top of that, neither the 1030 or 1070 will support an '05 DC5 wire harness because teh pinouts differ from an 02-04 DC5 wire harnesses. You will need to run an 05-> 02-04 RSX jumper harness in order to be compatible with a 1030 or 1070 EMS.

Hope this clearly answers your question.

 

[cube]

would they work on a 02 si? im piecing a turbo kit and have been recommended this over the hondata

 

[renrab]

I thought I would chime in with some updated info about k-pro. First things first, the two step rev limiter in k-pro supports fuel and ignition trimming -- ie you can dump extra fuel and retard ignition which gets you ANTI-LAG to spool your turbo at low speeds or stopped at the line. Second, the three nitrous control systems have secondary fuel and ignition tables to augment your main tables when active. K-pro also has onboard datalog storage so you can datalog without a computer attached -- newer units come with this feature stock. The nitrous control panels can be set to deactivate after a certain number of knocks have been detected as a safety feature.

Let me describe the setup I have and daily drive with. My rsx has a jackson racing supercharger kit running at 9 pounds on 91 octane pump gas. Since it could never reach full power from ignition tuning in the summer, I run water/methanol controlled by my nitrous panel in k-pro. Normally when I boost, without the water methanol, I setup my tables to be about -5 degrees ignition from what I knew was full power on good fuel and added lots of fuel in boost... probably running in the mid 10s a/f wise. When I reach 4500 rpm at 5+ psi, the methanol system activates via one of my ecu outputs depending on if another ecu input (my arm switch) is on. It then uses my nitrous #1 tables to add around 5 degrees ignition and remove fuel so I end up at around 12.2 a/f under boost with water/methanol and right under or at full power ignition timing (which is important to tune since you can over advance without detonation while on the water/meth). While in boost, if my a/f goes above 12.7 or so, it will cut the motor off. While methanol (nitrous #1) is active, if more than a preset number of knocks is observed (it doesn't knock at all under water/methanol, so the number is low!) it will cut off the water/meth and restore the previous ignition and fuel... which will be really rich and retarded. This keeps my motor in one piece if the methanol system fails and allows detonation to start or swings lean.

This is a real world setup driven every day to and from work. Boosted 25k miles on a stock motor.

I'm not trying to say you could or could not do what I've done with aem ems, but this is what I have done with MY k-pro, and I'm very pleased.

Wayne

/thread?

 

[oceanstatetuning]

Will the readiness codes clear with K-Pro on the OBDII port?

A 30-1030U box will cost me the same as K-Pro with a Stock ECU.
(I get a good deal on them)
I think the only advantage for the K-Pro is it might possibly still be able to pass inspection.

 

[BuiltRSX]

Re: cont. AEM vrs hondata. the rumors, the difference, the truth

O yea, i got k pro dont get me wrong the rev limit does its job for me personally when launching on street tires, but from people who have run their cars on K pro from what i heard was they perfer to just go with out no rev limit because its not useful for launching on slicks? Can anyone throw in their input on this as i have never launched my kpro equiped car on slicks?

Yesh, I am a few years behind, but I noticed your answer was never addressed. I never had problems with this feature either on streets, but DRs yes. The reason is all in the burnout. You cant do a burnout, and if you can, not a very good one. The new update on Kpro ables you to do a burnout by flipping an activation switch to turn on the launch control.








Also, back on the thread of the AEM EMS, my sponsor Polk Performance, has been through the AEM training and is certified in Arkansas. I am the first K for him to work on, I run Kpro, I noticed it is difficult for him at first cause it is flipped of how the tuning is on AEM, also, he recently got a chance to tune a boosted one. The guy came to him with Greddy Ultimate, and AEM. He made 2 whp more with Greddy, and only had 2 hours of tuning on each, and that is seeing it for the first time. One thing he told me, was he couldnt change cam angles through the rpm range, like you can with making composite maps on Kpro. Did the guy have the wrong ecu, or he not looking in the right spot for the cam angle maps, or is that how AEM works? I think if your able to make composite maps you can utilize more and better power than you can with just one cam angle, thus how I can see the difference between H series and K series. I am intrigued with AEM, and being he is a certified tuner, I am tempted to switch for that fact. Also, I understand you can do on-the-fly tuning with AEM and Kpro you have to stop and turn off motor when uploading new maps or changes, which is time consuming and nerve racking.

Razathorn you know alot about Krpo, could you as well lemme know what I am missing on Kpro, can you catually do on-the-fly tuning safely?



One more thing, I keep burning out my stock O2 sensors and it is sending me to the poor house, I want to run AEM O2, but Kpro doesnt able you to run closed loop with it, which means I have to have a safe street tune on my radiacal motor if I ever want to street it, and that means basically 2 or 3 tunes for weather. Ideas or tips/tricks?

 

[team1320_k24eg]

i think i already know the answer to my question but i figured i get it confirmed here. you can not run a secondary fuel rail with k-pro right? set/bank of injectors that run independent? i believe aem does offer this option from what i have gathered. can anyone chime in?

 

[AkumaY]

set/bank of injectors that run independent? i believe aem does offer this option from what i have gathered. can anyone chime in?

yes the AEM EMS supports staged injection. thats how Bisi and Leslie have theirs setup on the AEM EMS.

 

[prostock]

Re: cont. AEM vrs hondata. the rumors, the difference, the truth

One thing he told me, was he couldnt change cam angles through the rpm range, like you can with making composite maps on Kpro. Did the guy have the wrong ecu, or he not looking in the right spot for the cam angle maps, or is that how AEM works? I think if your able to make composite maps you can utilize more and better power than you can with just one cam angle, thus how I can see the difference between H series and K series.

i have been searching for this answer but with no success can someone shed some light on this???

 

[DWCHKYPMP20]

WOW, havent been on this forum in a long time and just noticed that this thread got stickied. nice.

 

[kmac]

I have the EMS on my track DC5 and I have a question about the variable valve timing? My friend just picked up a kPro and we were able to control the advancement of the cams at every RPM range. Also, we were able to make changes with the low lobe and high lobe of the cam. Is there tables in the EMS where we can do this as well? I think that my cam timing is locked at a specific degree... I have never made changes to the cam timing with the EMS... is it possible???

 

[BuiltRSX]

I am sure it is, my tuner is a certified AEM tuner, he tuned his first K last spring on one. He mentioned the same thing you did, so I downloaded it to check it out. Its been 6 months since I looked at it, but think you have to insert the value at each rpm yourself, individual cam angle tuning throughout the band isnt possible the way Kpro is, I think you call it interploting the cam angles or something like that. But yeah, I think you can, jsut not the same way. Also, dont quote me, this is my understanding, not his or I didnt get this info from anyone else.

 

[kmac]

Im pretty sure it can be done in some way. I just does not know exactly where the table is or how to find the information. If anyone knows where the table is exactly, or how to change cam angle timing timing with the EMS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!! Thanks

 

[prostock]

Im pretty sure it can be done in some way. I just does not know exactly where the table is or how to find the information. If anyone knows where the table is exactly, or how to change cam angle timing timing with the EMS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!! Thanks

i'm still looking for the answer to this,,,anyone know????

 

[Razathorn]

i'm still looking for the answer to this,,,anyone know????

I know ems has this ability, I've read about it in the documentation. I'm fairly certain the documentation on their web site (like the pdfs) explain how to setup VTC and tune it, it's just not near as straight forward as it is on k-pro. If I recall correctly, the function isn't specific to VTC (cam angles), it can be used for just about any auxiliary thing via duty cycles based on load/rpm. I know for a fact that I saw documentation on how to wire it up for K series engines on their site though.

 

[scmil95eg]

For a K-series:

Setup > Advanced Setup > Variable Valve Control > Valve #2

This has been covered so many times in so many places....
AEM's VVC map does not represent the actual cam angle like K-Pro does. It represents the duty cycle of the spool valve. So to determine your cam angle, you first have to know if you have 50 deg. or 25 deg. VTC. Duty cycle will equate to various cam angles based on that. It's not straightforward but in AEM's defense, most true stand-alone aftermarket management systems handle it the same way (ie. Motec, EFI Tech, etc...) simply because the software is universal, and not specific to a Honda K-series like K-Pro.

 

[GT35RK20]

So why is the largest value that can be entered on these columns is 50?

If it's duty cycle percentage based, wouldn't it be like 30% or 90% or 100% etc.. etc?

 

[robus]

(page 5 ownage!)
Here's the thing with the 1070 & 1030..

1070 is what AEM dubs the 'swap box'. It's the ecu to use in K-swap cars like EF/EG/DA/DC2, but can also be used in an 02-04 RSX as well but you will lose some multiplexor functionality such as A/C controls and a couple other cluster controls.

1030 on the other hand is designed to be used in 02-04 RSX, 01-05 civic, and 02-04 CRV but RETAIN functionality of the multiplexor's functionalities (A/C & other cluster controls). This is why it piggy backs the stock ecu. As a bonus, this ecu can also be used as a 'swap box' just like the 1070 because you can disable the multiplexor functions you don't need at all when doing a K-swap in older chassis's.

Hi all, I've got a temptingly good deal on a 1030, however it's not going into an RSX--it's a K20A2 swap in an EF chassis.
I'm quite tempted but I read somewhere else that the 1030, if not used on the rsx would not only lose a/c and temperature gauge but may not even start. Does anyone know for sure?

 

[katman]

Hi all, I've got a temptingly good deal on a 1030, however it's not going into an RSX--it's a K20A2 swap in an EF chassis.
I'm quite tempted but I read somewhere else that the 1030, if not used on the rsx would not only lose a/c and temperature gauge but may not even start. Does anyone know for sure?

I've been out of the AEM thing for a while, so I'm not sure on the A/C and temp gauge controls. I believe these will still function for you as an EF doesn't use a multiplexor wiring type configuration.

As for not starting I believe this would be fuel pump related and depends on what K-series engine harness you use, whether it be US or a JDM K20 harness. US and JDM engine harnesses have different fuel pump pinouts.
E1 = US FPR
E10 = JDM FPR

When I first ran a 1070, my car wouldn't start and it was because of this FPR pin location difference. The 1070 box is based off a US RSX ecu so its looking for the FPR at the E1 pinout. I'm running a modified JDM K20 engine harness which uses E10 for fuel pump relay. So, I just bridged E10 to E1, so no matter what ecu I use it will always have a FPR signal to the ECU.

 

[robus]

Wow, great info, thanks :up:

 

[SupaMonkey]

Hey guys, maybe you can answer my questions:
1) katman states the AEM has the following above the KPro: option to shut off the alternator at certain thresholds / boost control (anti-lag/2-step) / traction control. Im not that familiar with the KPro, but surely the above could be implemented into the KPro with a firmware upgrade?
2) Which brings me to my next question, can one upgrade the firmware on a KPro?