K20A smog street legal?
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where in nor u located? im up in sacramento attending wyotech. im wondering if someone has done this swap and got it to pass smog. i know you need hondata becuz with the stock ecu, it will throw a code always. and you wont pass. other than that i know a lot of peeps down south where im from have completed this swap but im wondering if they got it to pass. i plan on selling my 2000 EX for 8k and buying a 92 eg for like 2500, then the k20a for like 4500 off ebay, ive seen a couple. i would at least have the engine and some money to start. i want it to be running by the time im out of wyotech becuz 2/3 of the school is domestic pride and think hondas are shit....they'll see. This teacher wont even let us import guys work on our cars becuz they arent stamped with a bowtie or a ford symbol.....
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Smog Check Alerts!!
Oh shit. You've heard the adds on the radio, about the road side dyno tests? Well its true and may be coming to a street near you:
March 25, 1998
Dan reports from the field:
Kanan Rd. was squeezed down to one lane, and before knew it saw the dyno test.
So it was all for the sake of "our childrens air" as the TV propaganda ads go now and a simple 10 minute check as the official paperwork states?
Well was stuck in traffic for over an hour because of what amounted to a no-real-reason road closure. Every other car was being pulled over as there were many police officers to make sure everyone stayed in line. And those people selected didn't look happy, the body language was telling [me] (standing with arms crossed, and grim faces), not to mention being delayed for an hour BEFORE any testing had begun.
After all when was the last time you got in your car to go somewhere at no particular time? And not to mention the presence of many mechanics, cops. Of most conscern was the persence of SEVERAL tow trucks near the dyno ---- "Vehicles are tested solely for the purpose of gathering data."?????
I was one of the fortunate 50% that did not get picked. They were dyno testing cars on a "low boy" portable dyno. There was a huge line of cars in one of the closed off lanes (to be checked). Optional my ass!!! If you were unlucky then... pop the hood and dyno it baby!
The escape route idea has plagued me as well. There was major "unusual" congestion until the street came to an area bordered by an island & sidewalk. There were no cross-streets for ~ 1/2 mi. By the time I figured out what was going on I was in a marked off lane w/o any option of turning around. BTW I had to change my shorts by the time I got home. All bases covered if you ask me...
Bastards...all of them
Now I was thinking about this, mostly saying "damn cops, damn bar, damn epa, damn damn damn", but in reality there is quite a game being played here. The cops aren't the source of the problem, and are being screwed by this too. They don't really have a choice in the matter. They are forced to set up these smog checks: "You will dyno every car on Kanan Rd. during peak hours." After a few minutes of pissed off drivers, the cops start getting defensive and pissed off, and pretty soon no one is happy, no one is nice and no one wins. Likely 98% of the people they screwed over on Kanan Rd. were not guilty of anything, but now those people are really pissed off. The big problem is that they are pissed off at the cops, not the BAR. Do you see the problem there? By using the police as their bad publicity shield, the anger is directed at the wrong group. The cops are just another pawn in their political game. Those phone calls to the police to complain about the delays, are wasted. They need to go to our the state legislature in Sacramento, the govenor and your city mayor.
So what if you are chosen? IT IS OPTIONAL!! REQUIRED READING : http://smogcheck.ca.gov/000141.htm. Quote: "The BAR representative will do everything possible to accommodate special circumstances, but motorist participation is vital to the study’s success." To me, that sentence reads, your are not required to submit, but we are going to do everything we can to get you on the dyno. They are not going to tell you its optional! And they are going to practically deny it. And they are going to delay you as long as they can. And they are going to intimidate you with police officers and tow trucks. And they are going to black-mail you, looking at your big exhaust tip, and lowered suspension. Your tires better not be past the wear bars on the inside, and your exhaut better not be too loud. They can give you an "unsafe condition" ticket right there. BAM! Its illegal to drive your car on the road because the car is too low, or some other lame excuse....
Don't believe its that bad? Check this out:
Subject: Don't go to San Diego
A few weeks ago I was pulled over for an illegal U-turn. It was near the local races here in Diego so the cop had a guy from the Bureau of Automotive Repair with him doing hood checks. All my stuff is CARB legal(or so I thought) so I let them look under my hood. Well , within a few minutes there are 4 cop cars stopped and all the cops have their flashlights at my car looking for anything to get me with. A cop with a tape measure cites me for balding tires(only one of my tires was 1/32"), tinted windows, and the guy from BAR tells me I have to bring in my car for inspection because of the yellow hoses connected to my CARB legal Akimoto air filter hose. The guy said something like any hose that carries fumes has to be approved. He said you could tell if the hose is approved if there is writing on it. On the paper he gave me the emission violation was under PCV with MODIFIED circled and he wrote "Non approved crankcase hose." He also wrote "no visible O2 sensor." I told the genius it was under the car but his lazy ass didn't want to look. So anyways I wasn't worrying too much about it cuz I figure that I'll just change the hoses back, get my car inspected and pay a small fix it fine. Well I got the fine in the mail today and it's 271 f_ckin dollars!!!! I don't have all the old hoses but the one I still have has no writing on it whatsoever. Shouldn't these yellow hoses be legal since they came with a CARB legal air filter kit?! CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?!?! Does anyone know the legality of these hoses? Should I try calling Akimoto or CARB?
As thorough as these guys were being I was surprised they never once said anything about my front licenese plate(it's on my dash) or my exhaust. My exhaust is Trust and I have paperwork stating its legality but they never asked for it. The BAR guy even opened my gas tank and looked under my gas cap. That's how thorough they were being. No idea what he was looking for though.
Oh shit. You've heard the adds on the radio, about the road side dyno tests? Well its true and may be coming to a street near you:
March 25, 1998
Dan reports from the field:
Kanan Rd. was squeezed down to one lane, and before knew it saw the dyno test.
So it was all for the sake of "our childrens air" as the TV propaganda ads go now and a simple 10 minute check as the official paperwork states?
Well was stuck in traffic for over an hour because of what amounted to a no-real-reason road closure. Every other car was being pulled over as there were many police officers to make sure everyone stayed in line. And those people selected didn't look happy, the body language was telling [me] (standing with arms crossed, and grim faces), not to mention being delayed for an hour BEFORE any testing had begun.
After all when was the last time you got in your car to go somewhere at no particular time? And not to mention the presence of many mechanics, cops. Of most conscern was the persence of SEVERAL tow trucks near the dyno ---- "Vehicles are tested solely for the purpose of gathering data."?????
I was one of the fortunate 50% that did not get picked. They were dyno testing cars on a "low boy" portable dyno. There was a huge line of cars in one of the closed off lanes (to be checked). Optional my ass!!! If you were unlucky then... pop the hood and dyno it baby!
The escape route idea has plagued me as well. There was major "unusual" congestion until the street came to an area bordered by an island & sidewalk. There were no cross-streets for ~ 1/2 mi. By the time I figured out what was going on I was in a marked off lane w/o any option of turning around. BTW I had to change my shorts by the time I got home. All bases covered if you ask me...
Bastards...all of them
Now I was thinking about this, mostly saying "damn cops, damn bar, damn epa, damn damn damn", but in reality there is quite a game being played here. The cops aren't the source of the problem, and are being screwed by this too. They don't really have a choice in the matter. They are forced to set up these smog checks: "You will dyno every car on Kanan Rd. during peak hours." After a few minutes of pissed off drivers, the cops start getting defensive and pissed off, and pretty soon no one is happy, no one is nice and no one wins. Likely 98% of the people they screwed over on Kanan Rd. were not guilty of anything, but now those people are really pissed off. The big problem is that they are pissed off at the cops, not the BAR. Do you see the problem there? By using the police as their bad publicity shield, the anger is directed at the wrong group. The cops are just another pawn in their political game. Those phone calls to the police to complain about the delays, are wasted. They need to go to our the state legislature in Sacramento, the govenor and your city mayor.
So what if you are chosen? IT IS OPTIONAL!! REQUIRED READING : http://smogcheck.ca.gov/000141.htm. Quote: "The BAR representative will do everything possible to accommodate special circumstances, but motorist participation is vital to the study’s success." To me, that sentence reads, your are not required to submit, but we are going to do everything we can to get you on the dyno. They are not going to tell you its optional! And they are going to practically deny it. And they are going to delay you as long as they can. And they are going to intimidate you with police officers and tow trucks. And they are going to black-mail you, looking at your big exhaust tip, and lowered suspension. Your tires better not be past the wear bars on the inside, and your exhaut better not be too loud. They can give you an "unsafe condition" ticket right there. BAM! Its illegal to drive your car on the road because the car is too low, or some other lame excuse....
Don't believe its that bad? Check this out:
Subject: Don't go to San Diego
A few weeks ago I was pulled over for an illegal U-turn. It was near the local races here in Diego so the cop had a guy from the Bureau of Automotive Repair with him doing hood checks. All my stuff is CARB legal(or so I thought) so I let them look under my hood. Well , within a few minutes there are 4 cop cars stopped and all the cops have their flashlights at my car looking for anything to get me with. A cop with a tape measure cites me for balding tires(only one of my tires was 1/32"), tinted windows, and the guy from BAR tells me I have to bring in my car for inspection because of the yellow hoses connected to my CARB legal Akimoto air filter hose. The guy said something like any hose that carries fumes has to be approved. He said you could tell if the hose is approved if there is writing on it. On the paper he gave me the emission violation was under PCV with MODIFIED circled and he wrote "Non approved crankcase hose." He also wrote "no visible O2 sensor." I told the genius it was under the car but his lazy ass didn't want to look. So anyways I wasn't worrying too much about it cuz I figure that I'll just change the hoses back, get my car inspected and pay a small fix it fine. Well I got the fine in the mail today and it's 271 f_ckin dollars!!!! I don't have all the old hoses but the one I still have has no writing on it whatsoever. Shouldn't these yellow hoses be legal since they came with a CARB legal air filter kit?! CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME?!?! Does anyone know the legality of these hoses? Should I try calling Akimoto or CARB?
As thorough as these guys were being I was surprised they never once said anything about my front licenese plate(it's on my dash) or my exhaust. My exhaust is Trust and I have paperwork stating its legality but they never asked for it. The BAR guy even opened my gas tank and looked under my gas cap. That's how thorough they were being. No idea what he was looking for though.
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goverment can give a shit about clean air. i already got popped with my car, with the k20 in it, it was kind of funny when they were checking it out, they saw the fuel lines and said, you have NOS! , im like no i dont, YES YOU DO!, arguing for a while, but funny thing is he didnt know about the motor, he thought it was stock with a red valve cover or something, and he didnt know what to do, he just kept looking, him and his lil bitch ass side kick, i almost wanted to laugh at him, but then he said, what is this fuel regulator, and what are these shiny fuel lines, whats this fuel rail. and wrote me up just for that, fuel emmisions, thats exactly what it said on my ticket. well then i get issued a court date, go to court, and the judge says, 350 plus take it to the reff, or 550 and close the case. so i just paid the 550. crazy, just shows how much they really care about the air, they would rather have the money.
but here are the problems ive ran into so far.
1. i couldnt find a carbd header. but now ive heard a stock tsx header will fit.
2. the prob like the other guy said, you can use the k pro to disable the cel, but the k pro isnt smog legal itself.
i think the main prob, is the cel. besides that, there isnt really much else that wouldnt make it pass. ive been thinking of just taking it down there, and asking myself.
let me know if you guys do anything too chris. shiet i wouldnt mind being barrd either.
but here are the problems ive ran into so far.
1. i couldnt find a carbd header. but now ive heard a stock tsx header will fit.
2. the prob like the other guy said, you can use the k pro to disable the cel, but the k pro isnt smog legal itself.
i think the main prob, is the cel. besides that, there isnt really much else that wouldnt make it pass. ive been thinking of just taking it down there, and asking myself.
let me know if you guys do anything too chris. shiet i wouldnt mind being barrd either.
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i know what a bunch of fucking idiots. funny thing is it still would have been 350, even if i took it to the reff. shit all that trouble is worth the extra 200 bucks. yeah they didnt tow the car, that was the good thing.nikos said:
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