[EG6VtecR]

looking for info on tires that can be daily driven but that can be tracked too. which one performs best for it's price.
for the front size: 15" between 205 to 225 something that fits on an EG chassis. price let's say under $130 per tire. as for the rear size could 195/50R15
which one has decent grip & wear
if you guys can recomend other brands & models & give your input, share experiences. that be more than welcome.

Toyo R888
Bfgoodrich R1
Advan AD08
Nitto NT01
Hankook Ventus R-S3
Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
Hankook Ventus R-S2
Falken Azenis RT615
Toyo Proxes R1R
Nitto NT05
Bridgestone Potenza RE-11
Kumho Ecsta XS

 

[EG6VtecR]

good info

i added the Hankook Ventus R-S2 to the list any input on that one?

 

[EG6VtecR]

yeah i'm looking for something that i could track & daily drive.

not looking for R compound at the moment. later i'll get R compound for track days only.
has anyone tested this ones from hankook?

Hankook Ventus R-S2 225/45ZR15 Temp: A200 AA A Speed“W” = 168mph 51 psi


Hankook Ventus R-S3 225/45ZR15 Temp: A140 A A Speed “W” = 168mph 51 psi

 

[EG6VtecR]

Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec, HANDS DOWN. The RS-2 has too much water siping and loses dry traction because of this. Trust me, I've been through a LOT of tires and As far as the best Daily/Track tires you will find the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec will not be beat IMO. Check the reviews, they'll back it up. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...e=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+Sport+Z1+Star+Spec I will never use ANY other tires so long as they make these.

-Froth

good review

the majority said star specs. but if you are sold on the hankooks then get it. cant change a mind thats already made up. :silly: its like asking for advice and not taking it. lol.

I'm not sold on the hankook rs2, i was just wondering if anyone had tried them.what caught my eye was the width 225. i was looking at their design. just like forth said is more of a wet tire.

The RS-2 has too much water siping and loses dry traction because of this

i've been trying to get the kumho ecsta xs locally but no one has them in their computer system :down:

if i have time today since I'm installing front hardrace bushings, I'm going to stop in a couple of tire places today & see if they carry the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec.
the other choice is the be Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 205/50/15

i was trying to get something as wide as possible or with a thread design with max road contact because I'm putting down 238whp & 187wtq

 

[EG6VtecR]

i went to my local tire place & they gonna try to get the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec for me on monday, if i can't get them localy then i'll order them online.

thanks for all the info.:up:

 

[EG6VtecR]

the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec seems to have a more predictable handling they look way more sharp & stable compared to the Bridgestone Potenza RE-11 in the video posted by 98specR.
link here to same video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IwzKz_2Who

this video is at the Tokyo Auto Salon 2009 show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bICIXmW2AA

what I'm going to do is as far as ordering the dunlop star spec: going to get 195-55r-15 for now to use them in the front. then buy a pair of 16" wheels & order a second pair of star spec sizes 225/50R16 for the front.

what you guys think

 

[EG6VtecR]

Why are you mixing wheels/tires?

i was trying to maximize traction. my car is high & i can't drop it much due to my driveway.
I'm ordering the 4 Dunlop 195/55/15 in 2 weeks because i just ordered MT drag radials 225/50/15.
i have 2 sets of 15" wheels plus another pair of 15"s so wheels are not an issue.

 

[EG6VtecR]

I'm not sure if you have considered them, but the R-S3's are avalible for special order on Tire Rack now, 140 wear rating though!

yeah i saw them but decided to go with the dunlops 195/55/15 for autox/road race & daily driving. this guys got me sold on them plus that jdm video Froth posted shows how good the Dunlops are so can't go wrong plus they are really affordable.
so bought the drag radials for drag when i don't feel like swapping wheels at the drag strip to run full slicks.

buying this drag radials put me out of budget so my pic coilovers gonna have to wait a bit longer

 

[EG6VtecR]

as far as wheel alignment, what do you guys run with the Dunlop Sport Z1 Star Spec? what's the max negative camber they seem to like?

 

[EG6VtecR]

I've been rocking the star spec for quiet some time now
Good tire & now they make it 205-50-15 but i need a wider & stickier tire so hatch is getting body work paint & rolled fenders & quater panels.

I found the hankook r-s3 225-45-15 for same price as the dunlop star spec 205-50-15
Hankook being wider & 140 UTQG makes a better choice.

but since the car is not being a daily driver anymore i can go for these 2 since they cost the same:

Toyo R888 225-45-15 UTQG 100

BFgoodrich R1 225-50-15 UTQG 40

What you guys think go Bf full slicks or toyo semi-slicks
Most people seem to like the toyos!

 

[EG6VtecR]

Yeah I'm going to order the toyos.
I've been doing some reading seems like the BF R1 don't work well on light chassis.

 

[EG6VtecR]

wut were u running? giving info on tires but not telling people what they were is pointless.

X2
he didn't say which tires he is refering to!

 

[EG6VtecR]

the rs-2 is not nearly the same league as the star spec, the rs-2 is a decent tire, cheap, not bad for dd, but not nearly as grippy as the star spec

Yeah i have the star specs now but i'm swapping back my 270 whp engine & that little monster requires more grip. i bought the star specs when the 195 was the only size for a 15" wheel but they have amazing grip for the size & price. The star spec are really good & now that they come in 205-50-15 they become a better choice for k swapped cars.

 

[EG6VtecR]

which ones? I've heard better things about the RA1s than the R888s.

I only track my car and drive it on nice (dry) days, so is there anything better than the RA1s for that? I'm going 205/50/15

I've seen a guy running the r1's at local auto-x in a new civic si & it looked like he had a hard time bringing them up to proper operating temp. Seems like they are more for the road course.

Also i was reading some threads on the porsche & lotus forums & they say the r1s don't work well on a light chassis! Any input?

They said the R888 is king in the wet & a good all around tire.

 

[EG6VtecR]

I haven't order the tires yet since the wheel won't be available untill 1.5 months from now
But if you guys consider the r1's are a better bang for the $ then i'll give them a try anyways they cost the same as the R888.

 

[EG6VtecR]

I just realized that there is a confussion with the tires in this thread for the last 2 pages between the bfgoorich R1 & the toyo proxes RA1.

I was referring to the bfgoorich R1's not the toyo proxes RA1 vs the toyo R888.

 

[EG6VtecR]

RA1's

they are their grippiest right before they are chorded. So that means when you buy them new, they get better and better and better:up:

thats what I've heard. and I've heard because of this, the tire life is pretty long.

I'm thinking about some 949Racing 6UL 15x8 wheels with some RA1s for the DC2... that would be a good time.

has anyone else confirmed this? I mainly road race the car, and heating tires up is definitely not a problem. maybe going 15x8 with RA1s could be too much...

but then again, the RA1 seems to be the standard tire for NASAs Honda Challenge, and of course all those cars are quite light.

ive seen alot of the spec porsches run r888's and other cars run ra1's I guess it depends on the setup of the course?

^^^it was the spec tire last season i think...most the porsches guys i talked to don't like the 888's compared to the RA1 and are more then excited to go back to them(RA1's).

see thats what I had heard from a few people. I friend of mine has run both tires on his cars and definitely prefers the RA1s.

are 15x8s wrapped in RA1s too much grip for the back wheels? I mean I can always stiffen up the dampening in the rear.

It's really to set it up to make the back end swing out with my current 205/50/15 Azenis.

Thoughts?

Are you guys talking about the:

toyo proxes RA1 100 temp semy slick
or the:
BFGOORICH G-FORCE R1 40 temp full slick

 

[EG6VtecR]

I called 949racing today to get some info & order the 15x8 wheels.

This is what they tell me: go 15x9 front 15x8 rear
Tires 225 front 205 rear with a little wing go 235F 205R.

They say NT01 are better than R888
Bf r1 better than NT01 but don't last as long.

I kinda wanna go 15x8 R888 225 so i can rotate them.

Bf R1 are temping since they're full slicks & cost the same as R888 & then the NT01 are way cheaper which 949racing say that are faster than R888 but can't rotate them like R888 to get more life out of them. But the NT01 are about $40 cheaper per tire so around $160 per set savings sounds sweet.

 

[EG6VtecR]

FWD cars will be the fastest when the rear of the vehicle starts to rotate before the front at corner entry. Physics allows our cars to "pull" themselves straight with the front wheels.

Coupled with the fact that the earlier you are pointed in the right direction for corner exit, the earlier you can get on the throttle... and the faster you will be out of the corner.

This type of setup will be the fastest IF you can control it and keep the rear of the car behind you. If you are hesitant and inconsistent with your throttle application, odds are you will lose it. This setup works for the guys who drive their car 110% at all times, who know how to place their car exactly where they want on the track, who commit to the throttle 100% and would never think of lifting mid corner, etc...

For the other 90% of weekend warrior type drivers/track guys, they are generally faster with a bit of understeer as it makes the car easy to drive... not necessarily easy to drive fast, but easy to drive relatively quickly and confidently.

Good input on both post.

What's your input on the R888 vs NT01



I agree on a car set up to rotate the rear to fight under steer is for someone that knows how to dodulate the trottle to fight the over rotation & avoid a spin. Sometimes you gotta be hard on the trottle when you have transfered weight to the front tires on a tight & slow corner. Any lift of the trottle or tap of the brakes most like will make you loose it & too much throttle may create undesired under steer & place you too wide on corner exits.

 

[EG6VtecR]

Nitto nt01 can be had for $115 225/45/15

949racing tells me they faster than toyo R888 as soon as I get a tracking # from wheels I'm gonna order the nt01 to try them.

Try to stay away from a 50 or 55 profile I learn it the hard way. The lower the profile the better response you will get, the better the car will handle.

On something widers than 205 7.5, 8 or 9 wheel will work in your favor since it make the tires have a wider patch contact with the road. But 7" will do for a 225 tire.