9 second street driven honda!
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Jason Hunt's turbo CRX is a legitimate 9 second street driven car. Try googling his name and see what comes up. He did it with a B-series, so it could certainly be done with a K series. Full-Race's Civic could also do 9 seconds on slicks and it's streetable.Stas said:
The basic formula is light weight, tall slicks, 650 + on the hp, a decent suspension setup and a lot of practice. It can be done with less hp but not as easily.
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I can run the 1/4 in 9 sec does that count??? 
Yeah JonV....I am just tryin to break the quarter mile hype. As time has passed I have found that Honda's are almost predominantly judged based upon their quarter mile performance. I suppose this is a product of a nation that has it's roots in drag racing, but that was also product of an era dominated by cars which had little else going for them other than straight line performance (50-70's muscle cars).
Honda's on the other hand have always been cars based on small compact nimble maneuverability which then turned to road racing. I just think people are beginning to miss more and more, the true natural born nature of the honda. It confuses me further that these cars are, for the mostpart, driven on a daily basis which should lead to more emphasis on balance. Unfortunately any more, online sights are dominated by young Honda "buffs" who proclaim their profound knowledge because they have pressurized an engine and have made "x" amount of horsepower and have ran whatever in the quarter. They produce these engines with peaky powerbands, degraded transient response, and will be satisfied if the brakes merely work, and the car isn't stock ride height.
My overall point is, that many of these young Honda guys have focused much of their time to that which really has little in touch with Honda's legacy. N/A performance, solid handling, and improved braking are of little interest to many of these quarter mile minded people and I just think it's unfortunate. It's like havin a hot woman and just bangin her missionary style with her shirt on...a complete waste of something that could be so much more fun than just poppin off a quick blownut...lol.
Honda's on the other hand have always been cars based on small compact nimble maneuverability which then turned to road racing. I just think people are beginning to miss more and more, the true natural born nature of the honda. It confuses me further that these cars are, for the mostpart, driven on a daily basis which should lead to more emphasis on balance. Unfortunately any more, online sights are dominated by young Honda "buffs" who proclaim their profound knowledge because they have pressurized an engine and have made "x" amount of horsepower and have ran whatever in the quarter. They produce these engines with peaky powerbands, degraded transient response, and will be satisfied if the brakes merely work, and the car isn't stock ride height.
My overall point is, that many of these young Honda guys have focused much of their time to that which really has little in touch with Honda's legacy. N/A performance, solid handling, and improved braking are of little interest to many of these quarter mile minded people and I just think it's unfortunate. It's like havin a hot woman and just bangin her missionary style with her shirt on...a complete waste of something that could be so much more fun than just poppin off a quick blownut...lol.
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I know what you mean. I kinda view drag racing at the lower levels to be nothing but a decent way measuring one aspect of a cars performance, almost like a dyno that doesn't read right... It is fun to go out and see what your car can do at the strip but I for one think that for the most part "anyone can drive straight". i think the challenge really comes within the turns and the real handling of your car.
I have seen first hand though the attitude and the hype that comes from 1/4 mile racing. i had a friend tell me just the other day that the B16b was a horrible motor and that you would be better of with the B16a, his closing arguement was how many people do you know witha B16b? This is coming from a kid who spent a lot of time around a couple guys that did a lot of drag racing in high school (paid for by there parents). It just shows me how little these guys actually know, i was kinda surprised because these are the guys that i somewhat looked up to or envy'd in high school. I am only 21 and I think I have learned more about cars (honda's specifically) in the last year than these guys have ever known. One of them used to have a pretty fast race car and was running a turbo'd GSR and later a turbo'd LS-Vtec in a race car full one piece front end and everything. The guy blew up lots of motors but never really did anything to special. Now he drives an RSX-S and I haven't heard much about him in awhile. i kinda got into road racing because some of these guys are pretty shady and I never really felt comfertable around there whole little crew...
I bought my EK 2 years ago in December as my Daily driver and by this december it will be a fully built "Road Race Car", not sure what organizations I will be able to race with but I just want to build it how I want to first. The first thing I did on this car after crashing my last car (93 EG hatch) was my brakes/wheels & tires/suspension. Within six months I had my 5 lug, 16" wheels, and a whole bunch of other little things bushing, bearings, pads, lines, ITR mC+booster. then I really got in to the suspension 32mm hollow sway + brace, 12k 10k adjustable full coil overs, and a little something that came from the drag guys a set of traction bars (which I really love).
I don't think I could have built this car any smarter. i think I did everything in the most benificial order and I will just be so happy when I get this motor in.
220-230whp and 170-200lb of torque will put a big ass smile on my face...
i almost forgot the LSd...
I have seen first hand though the attitude and the hype that comes from 1/4 mile racing. i had a friend tell me just the other day that the B16b was a horrible motor and that you would be better of with the B16a, his closing arguement was how many people do you know witha B16b? This is coming from a kid who spent a lot of time around a couple guys that did a lot of drag racing in high school (paid for by there parents). It just shows me how little these guys actually know, i was kinda surprised because these are the guys that i somewhat looked up to or envy'd in high school. I am only 21 and I think I have learned more about cars (honda's specifically) in the last year than these guys have ever known. One of them used to have a pretty fast race car and was running a turbo'd GSR and later a turbo'd LS-Vtec in a race car full one piece front end and everything. The guy blew up lots of motors but never really did anything to special. Now he drives an RSX-S and I haven't heard much about him in awhile. i kinda got into road racing because some of these guys are pretty shady and I never really felt comfertable around there whole little crew...
I bought my EK 2 years ago in December as my Daily driver and by this december it will be a fully built "Road Race Car", not sure what organizations I will be able to race with but I just want to build it how I want to first. The first thing I did on this car after crashing my last car (93 EG hatch) was my brakes/wheels & tires/suspension. Within six months I had my 5 lug, 16" wheels, and a whole bunch of other little things bushing, bearings, pads, lines, ITR mC+booster. then I really got in to the suspension 32mm hollow sway + brace, 12k 10k adjustable full coil overs, and a little something that came from the drag guys a set of traction bars (which I really love).
I don't think I could have built this car any smarter. i think I did everything in the most benificial order and I will just be so happy when I get this motor in.
220-230whp and 170-200lb of torque will put a big ass smile on my face...
i almost forgot the LSd...
Yeah, it's nice to see that there are people out there who still strive to build a balanced performance car. This is why I wish that track attack would gain some momentum in this country. That would surely inspire people to start posting up and improving road track times instead of just quarter mile times. I am working in my area currently to organize this type of event.
I know so many people local to me that are just like those guys you talked about. They "build" these Honda's with nothing more than a turbo'd swap...some have internals some don't, but in either case they blow these things up on a regular basis. Despite grenading countless motors, people still ride their nuts like they are master builders. It's highly aggravating after having invested years of my life to engine building and studying chassis design, suspension, etc. These people talk behind my back because I have only built a small number of turbo cars versus NA cars (funny none of mine blew up), but NA is just my sole preference. I have built alot of solid NA engines over the past 5-6 years, several over 200whp (streetable, budgeted builds as well), yet I am nothing compared to these young ass bastards who slap on a turbo and put down 350 wheel on a dyno. Two months and the motor is blown to shit, but noone cares. Pisses me off.
I know so many people local to me that are just like those guys you talked about. They "build" these Honda's with nothing more than a turbo'd swap...some have internals some don't, but in either case they blow these things up on a regular basis. Despite grenading countless motors, people still ride their nuts like they are master builders. It's highly aggravating after having invested years of my life to engine building and studying chassis design, suspension, etc. These people talk behind my back because I have only built a small number of turbo cars versus NA cars (funny none of mine blew up), but NA is just my sole preference. I have built alot of solid NA engines over the past 5-6 years, several over 200whp (streetable, budgeted builds as well), yet I am nothing compared to these young ass bastards who slap on a turbo and put down 350 wheel on a dyno. Two months and the motor is blown to shit, but noone cares. Pisses me off.
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u put a BIG ASS VTEC sticker and more stickers on the car...deff should make u get like 8s....but seriouldy i think a custom TT setupon a KA20A block and like nuthing else in the car
JonV, I really enjoy reading your comments. Your history is pretty much the same as mine and you're putting your car together like I am as well. I'm getting into HC in the next couple of years. It would be cool if we could call each other competition.
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RC000E and Jon_V that’s so true what ya’ll are talking about. Man I’ve been "racing" since the days of yore, when slammed s10s on air bags and wicked paint jobs were in, and Honda were merely a car that got you from point a to point b. Granted at that time I wasn’t really legal to do it on the street, so about the only place i could do it was hours away from my house at a drag strip. My dad, who is one of those guys who will read anything and everyone on something before he does it, taught me a lot back then about cars. Not just the basics like rotating tires, changing oil, and swapping broken parts out, he taught me basically how an engine works.
I was never afraid to ask him, hey dad what’s this? what’s it do? Then when i turned 16 I go my first car. a 1984 Plymouth Turizmo, carbureted, 2.2, 5spd man with like 96 hp. lol. It wasn’t that fast, but i was a great start. I learned that, that particular engine was made by Mitsubishi, and had interchangeable parts. I was able to change it from carbureted to fuel injected, and then changing out cams, adding stock turbo’s, all kind of fun stuff. That car lasted me about 3 good years, then finally right before I joined the army, the transmission went out. Some how cracked the bell housing. But about that time Hondas were getting hot.
Out came the Cold air intakes, Exhaust systems, Headers, aftermarket turbo kits, ground effects, you name it and it was hot, it was on the market. It was all about who could make their Honda go the fastest on a straight away. And as much as i like going in a straight line, it gets kind of old after a while. I mean its like Ven Diesel said "I live my life one quarter mile at a time." And if your running that quarter mile in 9 sec, its going pretty quick. But im trying to get away from what’s the "in thing" is. *basically bolting up turbo's and blowing your engine.* I’m moving more to what Honda is known for, reliability. They have always been NA for a reason, high rev's and pure power. *Hence the reason i swapped a k20A in my em2.*
Although I haven’t upgraded the suspension or done the breaks yet, that will all come in due time. For now, its one thing at a time and a lot of these things cost some money. Figured i would get the biggest concern out of the way first. I’m working on making my car an every day driver, that i can take out and do some SCCA racing in, but for now, I can still take it to the track and put a little rubber to the ground.
It kind of pisses me off that there are truly a lot of ricers out there who think that they can just bolt things up, and everything will be alright. Tuning an engine isn’t about that, you have to know what you’re doing and most of all you have to know MATH. Everything in an engine is math. And who ever posted this about making a 9 sec street legal car. Good luck. The only ones i know about are early 90's supras with a small block Chevy in um. And a couple light weight heavily modded crx & eg2's. But i guarantee it will cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of about 15,000 in engine work alone to do it right.
I was never afraid to ask him, hey dad what’s this? what’s it do? Then when i turned 16 I go my first car. a 1984 Plymouth Turizmo, carbureted, 2.2, 5spd man with like 96 hp. lol. It wasn’t that fast, but i was a great start. I learned that, that particular engine was made by Mitsubishi, and had interchangeable parts. I was able to change it from carbureted to fuel injected, and then changing out cams, adding stock turbo’s, all kind of fun stuff. That car lasted me about 3 good years, then finally right before I joined the army, the transmission went out. Some how cracked the bell housing. But about that time Hondas were getting hot.
Out came the Cold air intakes, Exhaust systems, Headers, aftermarket turbo kits, ground effects, you name it and it was hot, it was on the market. It was all about who could make their Honda go the fastest on a straight away. And as much as i like going in a straight line, it gets kind of old after a while. I mean its like Ven Diesel said "I live my life one quarter mile at a time." And if your running that quarter mile in 9 sec, its going pretty quick. But im trying to get away from what’s the "in thing" is. *basically bolting up turbo's and blowing your engine.* I’m moving more to what Honda is known for, reliability. They have always been NA for a reason, high rev's and pure power. *Hence the reason i swapped a k20A in my em2.*
Although I haven’t upgraded the suspension or done the breaks yet, that will all come in due time. For now, its one thing at a time and a lot of these things cost some money. Figured i would get the biggest concern out of the way first. I’m working on making my car an every day driver, that i can take out and do some SCCA racing in, but for now, I can still take it to the track and put a little rubber to the ground.
It kind of pisses me off that there are truly a lot of ricers out there who think that they can just bolt things up, and everything will be alright. Tuning an engine isn’t about that, you have to know what you’re doing and most of all you have to know MATH. Everything in an engine is math. And who ever posted this about making a 9 sec street legal car. Good luck. The only ones i know about are early 90's supras with a small block Chevy in um. And a couple light weight heavily modded crx & eg2's. But i guarantee it will cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of about 15,000 in engine work alone to do it right.
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Well depends on what you want to give up in order to reach your goal. I think its very possible to have a 9 second car and still have it very streetable ,but there will be some things you will have to decide on what to remove A/C, interior, etc. Also you are going to have to take into consideration of having to run Race Gas all the time in order to make the power you are going to need to hit the 9's.
Below is a partial list of what I think you will need in order to achieve 9 second passes and still be streetable.
1. Light Car ( Civic HB, Insight, Del Sol)
2. K series engine fully built and capable of extreme amounts of BOOST!
2000lb.-2500lb. + 500hp-600hp = 9.5 - 9.8 timeslips
Remember that this is in theory using a basic calculation of wieght and horsepower.
RESULTS WILL VARY DUE TO TRACK AND AIR CONDITIONS AND THE 100lb. DRIVER YOU FIND.
Below is a partial list of what I think you will need in order to achieve 9 second passes and still be streetable.
1. Light Car ( Civic HB, Insight, Del Sol)
2. K series engine fully built and capable of extreme amounts of BOOST!
2000lb.-2500lb. + 500hp-600hp = 9.5 - 9.8 timeslips
Remember that this is in theory using a basic calculation of wieght and horsepower.
RESULTS WILL VARY DUE TO TRACK AND AIR CONDITIONS AND THE 100lb. DRIVER YOU FIND.
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I would say atleast 30 grand to do that.
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