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2002 Acura RSX - Do I need a clip to swap k20a2?

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Hi have a 2002 acura rsx model that has a base 5 speed. I was wondering if anyone knew if i need a clip if i wanted to swap a k20a2 in?
also if i didnt need it, how much i would speed all together on the motor + transmission + labor
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swaps usually go for around 3-3500 plus labor. Do it yourself and save a good amount.
You could keep your current tranny and just get the motor (cut down on cost). You'll also need K Pro as you'll probably run into immoblizer problems.
You guys are clueless, I'll try to shed some light on this.

you need both the tranny and the motor, the 5spd tranny won't fit on a k20a2, to clear up what flounder said. So, you need the full swap (motor+tranny+accessories+axles), and the ECU.

Now, as for price, a K20a2 motor+tranny runs anywhere from 4K to 5K depending on what you get and who you get it from. Also, since you're going to have to pay for labor no matter what swap you put it, you might also want to think about a K20a, Type-R motor from Japan. Those will run you 5K to 6K, also depending on what you get and who you get it from.

I got my K20a for $5500, and it had 9 miles on it. It was BRAND NEW! the valve cover had some scratches and grime that I cleaned up, but that was it. You can't tell anymore now, unless you get like 6 inches from the valve cover.

Just so you know, the benefits of the K20a are:
Type-R Cams (gives about 8hp alone, and complements any bolt on)
Type-R pistons w/higher 11.5:1 compression and lighter weight
Type-R Valve springs and retainers (allows a 8800RPM recommended rev limit)
Type-R valve cover, and Intake Manifold cover
Type-R Intake Manifold (bigger runners, oh yeah)
Type-R Throttle Body (may or may not be different)
Type-R 4-2 Exhaust Manifold (Although you'll need the Type-R 2-1 Down pipe/Catalytic Converter, just gut it out on the inside, will look OEM on the outside and will make it a race header on the inside)
Type-R Flyweel (lighter is better)
Type-R LSD
Type-R gears and Final Drive

Cams alone with installation will run you $1000, and so will the LSD; for a total of $2000 extra for those two things alone (if you decide against the K20A).

Overall feel will be a car with 10 more HP than what a K20a2 will feel like, and it will handle way better, not to mention it will be easier to launch. The gearing improvement will also help your top end.


Now, what did you mean by a "clip?" Do you mean the entire front clip? The only other difference the front clip will bring is a Type-R front lip, Type-R headlights, and the front suspension, brembo brakes, and front wheels. If that's what you where wondering about, then don't bother. The headlights and lip are nice, but the suspension+brakes+wheels don't do any good unless you have the rear to go with it.

Good luck, and have fun.

Oh yeah, my installation was just over $1000, but I paid top dollar to get it done right the first time. And it was.

Oops, one more thing, you'll need K-pro as a must for either, that's another $1000. PM me if you'd like, so I can tell what I can do to help you on that.
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The base RSX 5 speed tranny is the same as the one in the EP, and it will bolt up to the k20a2. Like I said, if he wanted to save money on his swap, he could keep his tranny. There are several people out there with TSX and K20a2 motors with 5 speed trannys.

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8326&highlight=tranny
Oops sorry, I take that back, I guess I never heard it was possible, but I stand corrected.
i just find it ironic that you called him clueless
i like how he owns a shop and still paid too much for your swap.. and lighter flywheel is not always better just fyi. front clips usually never come with the parts you listed. I have had a few dc5r clips none of which came with any of those. also had 2 r33 front clips didnt have any of those parts on there..

chad
Depends on what you get. Some people define a clip in one way, and some in another. Same goes for a swap, some define it as one way, and some in another. It plainly depends on what you get, and what you need. Some will justify using certain parts (like a 5-spd tranny with a K20A, or a K20A3 block with an K20A head), and some won't settle than anything less than a certain thing. You can get good deals, it all depends. Whatever you do make sure you do your research, there maybe drawbacks with every configuration (good for boost and not good for NA, or vise versa, good for power but bad for realiability, etc). There is just a mecca of information, as I tried to give. You can read a small amount and learn only so much, and be satisfied, and you can read for days, weeks, months, years, and then finally be satisfied. Then, there are those that only give one or two sentences when they say they are trying to help you, but they really don't care one way or another. I like dialog, and I like learning. I'm not afraid to give my opinion on a matter, and I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. Others, just like to talk, insult, and waste your time.

Good luck, and enjoy.
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well im not affraid to give an opinion or admit that i am wrong wither.. i was just clarifying that most peeps always say lighter is better or more boost makes more power etc etc. which sometimes yes they both do sometimes they dont though. Also I hope I didnt come off trying to insult you or wast your time. If I did come across that way to you then I apolgize. That wasnt my intent.

Chad
GST2RSX-S said:
You guys are clueless,
GST2RSX-S said:
Others, just like to talk, insult, and waste your time.
I am in the latter group
If you're gonna get anything get the K20a instead of the K20a2.
The K20A is the better of the two, but you may run into legal problems that you wouldnt have if you went with the K20A2......Just my 2 cents.
signalpuke said:
The K20A is the better of the two, but you may run into legal problems that you wouldnt have if you went with the K20A2......Just my 2 cents.

consider a k20z1... those motors are proving to put down amazing power, significantly better than the k20a2... yes there is no lsd, but it has the final drive.. And price should be reasonable...

Good luck
which cars do k20a's come with? new to this came so jus wondering? whats the difference if i may ask between the a2?
DC5_RASIR said:
which cars do k20a's come with? new to this came so jus wondering? whats the difference if i may ask between the a2?
check the stickies in the General section!

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2419
http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7580
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