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Prayoonto Signature Series Camshaft Test

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#1 ·
By popular demand, here are the results of a camshaft test that was performed here two weeks ago, provided by Seek Speed Shop, a sponsor on here.

The camshaft test was conducted on an RSX with the following setup:

'06 TSX longblock
Stock bottom end
SuperTech springs/retainers
RBC intake manifold
Short ram intake
SSR header
2.5" exhaust
ID1000's
K-Pro

This graph is on the stock camshafts w/25 degree VTC gear on it.
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Now, onto the Prayoonto cams.

Here is the same engine with a set of Prayoonto Signature Series Stage 2 camshafts compared to the OEM bumpsticks. A 50-degree VTC gear was also installed for this test. (Solid line is Prayoonto cams, dotted line is OEM.)
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My first impressions regarding these cams were "Wow." Never have I had an aftermarket camshaft/valvetrain combo NOT freak out the knock sensor at light load... Until these. Not once did I have a hint of phantom knock blip up on the sensor while tuning these camshafts. Also, the idle quality is superb. They idle at a target 900 RPM idle without any tricks, and sound smooth as glass. Cam angle table had a max advance of 45 degrees trickling down to 30 to make the most power. As you can see from the graph, midrange torque was greatly improved over the OEM cams (some of which can be attributed to the higher-than-stock cam advance in the middle).

Next tested was a set of the Prayoonto Signature Series Stage 4 camshafts. A 25-degree VTC gear was utilized for this test. (Solid line is Prayoonto cams, dotted line is OEM.)
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Once more, these were a dream to tune. Idle required no tricks, knock sensor was happy, and everything made sense with these camshafts. As evident by the graph, these cams are a tad too large for an engine like this (relatively low compression, limited flow, etc...), but regardless, they resulted in decent power. Midrange torque is down a tad compared to the smaller Stage 2's, but I am confident that if we had another ten degrees of VTC travel, some of the lost torque would be found. This grind also carried power a bit further than the Stage 2's. I would like to test a set of these on an engine with a healthy dose of compression, a ported head, and a 3" exhaust in order to realize the full potential of these camshafts.

This final graph is a comparison of the Signature Series Stage 2's (solid) vs. the Signature Series Stage 4's (dotted).
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I would once more like to thank Eric/Blake/Colin @ SeekSpeedShop for bringing their testing to my facility, Norris @ Prayoonto Racing for developing these wonderful camshafts that are a tuner's dream to work with, and finally the fine patrons of K20a.org for wanting to keep going faster.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. :)

Thanks!

- Derek
 
#3 ·
The cams/VTC gear are the only changes between testings.

As far as the "numbers" go, this is actually our old SAE correction. We now use the J1349 2004 standard, so these are about 10-12whp high compared to the new stuff.

- Derek
 
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#6 ·
Wich one of those nice camshaft do you think should be the best for a k20 with wiseco 12:1 compression supertech valve train and stock head asp headers 3inch exhaust rrc intake.

I want to replace my blueprint stage 2 on my car I push 244,58 on my best run on a jet sae rated.

I've put a topic down here with the dyno sheet.
 
#13 ·
Not to burst anyone's bubble or anything, but the Stage 2's are just Brian Crower cams. The Stage 4's in the dyno test and their Stage 5 cams were designed, developed and produced with the help of Brian Crower also, so they're not just Prayoonto cams...

With that being said I don't think the Stage 4's should have even been tested on this motor due to lack of compression and limited air-flow in and out of the motor, but that showed with the dyno results. Would like to see this test done on a motor set up better for the Stage 4 cams.
 
#16 ·
So a BC Stage II and the Prayoonto Stage 2 are the same your saying ? I don't belive that information is completely accurate . May I ask where you got your information from ?

Obviously they need someone with the ability to manufacture the camshafts and without Norris and the clutchmasters team the cam would not make the power it makes
 
#14 ·
personal i dont care who makes the cams, theres so many behind the scenes things that go on . just giving are customer what he wants, and posting up the results . the reason i tested the stage 4 is cus there for another customer and we knew that it was not the ideal motor for the cams but heck y not . we had the dyno for the day
more test to come, with more cams of diff makes . maybe some header test also
 
#84 ·
Old thread, but its funny you say this because my "entry level" cams I bought from Go-Pwr, came in a Web Cam's box and the markings on the cams say: BC0042 with another web code beside them. Also the specs they gave me are a bit different than what's listed on the BC website. I'll one day measure them myself to see what I actually have.
:coleman:
 
#27 ·
Hi there all, I'm the owner of the car :) I just wanted to say thanks to D Rob and the boys at Seek Speed for the effort and work that they put into my car.
The car pulls nice and I could not be happier, heard good things about the cams, so I figured I would try the cams out, and I got a good deal on them.
 
#32 ·
Well Blazed I can tell you that I have back to back dyno tested a BC Stage II and a Prayoonto Stage II and if they are the same cam I would like to know where the extra 14whp came from .


Seems weird to me , next thing you know everyone will just be the same cam with different names on them :p
 
#33 ·
Thanks for answering my questions.

I never said they were the same, I asked if they were as u can clearly see in that link. As far as where that 14 whp came from well lol i guess we will find out soon enough eh. :dance:

So to be clear, the stage 5's r the same but the rest r not? so brian crower is manufacturing stage 2 cams for himself and prayoonto? would u manufacture a stage 2 cam for a competitor that makes 14whp over ur own? :)
 
#34 ·
I'm just stating to you the facts of what I HAVE SEEN and TUNED . I can't speak on any other basis . Well there are only a couple cam manufacturer's correct ? So yes I could see 1 company making a cam for 1 person and a cam they sell for themselves . There may be some similarities but I haven't seen the cams make the same power .


The couple sets of prayoonto camd cars I have tuned all make great power for the mods , I support anything that makes power for a good price :up: