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Where is VAG cutting all the jobs (30K+)? They are international, correct?
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Where is VAG cutting all the jobs (30K+)? They are international, correct?
Yes, international! About 23,000 in Germany, the rest all over the world. But there will be also new jobs for the electrification of the powertrains of that new way of empowering cars strategy of VAG.

We all where waiting for such a message. That 3 year plan, all those guys will go because of fluctuation no compulsory redundancy. This is smoother than I did expect...I believe it is not the end, I expect a sort of salami tactics of VW. Experts expect about 75,000 dismissals in the supplier industry. This is the really worth thing those managers should made responsible for.

CEO Müller said, European customers has no right for compensation. I say, VW has no right to "tune" my ECU in a manner of "Correction for Emissions". I bought a product which was released and certificated, if there is no compensation, there is no problem.

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Old 11-22-2016, 04:22 AM   #103
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VW did send the first 500,000 recall letters to customers with cheating software where VW wrote, if the customer don't particiapate on the recall he will loose the lisence plate at next regular emission test at TÜV, DEKRA, GTÜ (German notified bodies for emission and inspection test).

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VW's hint is wrong, as those notified bodies only measure actual emissions at a limited test cases and read out OBD for further information. My Polo did pass those tests already without issues, so those guys can't measure it. Just if German Goverment tells those guys to look for the VIN and proof the recall was done then they are allowed to do take your lisence plate. But who does pay them for this job? VW...LOL .

Next joke of VW. VW claims at the courts neithere the software isn't illegal nor the software is cheating customers...LOL . This is the argument, which should prevent them of payments to European customers like the guys in the US got. But why to hell we customers are forced to get a "update"? And why does VW inform customers about TÜV will take the lisence plate away of the car if one don't take part on the recall?

Next joke of VW. Week 30 was planned for the start of the recall. Now we have end of week 39, I have still no information about it, which is not to bad . There was a survey of recalled customers, which feedbacked less power, less responsitivity, more fuel consumption.

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You better had asked to solve it VW to calibrate for emissions!

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That's interesting that VW would notify the TUV. Nothing like that here state side. I haven't heard much of anything really. I heard a rumor that VW was in fact buying back cars and the "recalls" were available. Nothing is mandatory though so long as you do not take it to a dealership. If a vehicle is taken into the dealer then the dealer is obligated to perform the recall, however the customer would know ahead of repairs being make that the recall is going to be fulfilled. So in theory you could keep the vehicle as built originally.
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That's interesting that VW would notify the TUV. Nothing like that here state side.
Yes, it is. But VW likely don't pay the TÜV (or for US/UK keyboards TUEV) for any service around the Dieselgate, I also think there is no data exchange between TUEV and KBA (Government Institution for motor vehicles). The KBA claims at VW for the correction, so it is the business of VW. The TUEV hasn't the mandate to control if those corrections are done...what VW did state there is just a in subjunctive packed warning to get the costumers into action based on a cloud of non-realistic situations.

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If a vehicle is taken into the dealer then the dealer is obligated to perform the recall, however the customer would know ahead of repairs being make that the recall is going to be fulfilled...
This sounds plausible and good...also conform to the above stated situation of KBA, TUEV and VW .

Just one word to Müller. Seeing his kind of verbal handling/jeering the situation with the unsatisfied customers in Europe is like seeing his exit door at VW. How can this guy blame on customers...bad bad bad thing for a CEO, which has to be always smart, tough, innovative and diplomatic. Seems to be he don't need customers money, once he don't need to compensate the failure which should get solved under his governance.

New verbal style of the Management (Trump style) or he will take his hat like nobodies business!

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...us?

There are few:
  • European commision started an infringement proceedings against Germany' federal government, also against Luxemburg, Spain, GB, Tschechien, Litauen and Greece.
  • GB and GER additional were accused to not have offered all available information to clarify the issue
  • Cause for the infringement proceedings is, VW was not punished by those federal governments.
  • Those governments now have 2 month to layout their positions. The European commision's next step after that time can be an accusement at the EuGH (European court).
  • There is also an investigation commitee, asking responsible politicans, e.g. Gabriel (Ex-Minister of environment) about their knowing and their role in that Dieselgate. VW ex-CEO Winterkorn will be interviewed their on 19th of January next year, curious if he even remember to have worked for that company, as he will mostly and likely say "I don't know" .
My point not have mentioned that here is, not much will happen or in other words it would be a great surprise if one of the government will see real punishment for their lack of doing their work.

As I did write in the beginning of this threat, the most suffering and change will happen in the worker level, the higher management will take a bonus as usually and only a few heads will roll...Winterkorn isn't among them, only his name got dirty for now.

Signalpuke, did the picture of VW in the US change really much?

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I don't think many people in the US really care, or remember, that it happened. It isn't in the news, and even for people that are interested in cars it rarely comes up.
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Further 1.5 Billion $ to Canadian VW 2.0 Liter TDI's owners, still nothing for European customers of VW cheating software engines.

Still no message of VW about a date to flash the ECU and installing the flow balancer grid. LOL , these guys are to busy to waste money and time and forget their biggest market: EUROPE!

Talked today with a colleague who owns a Golf VI, 1.6 Liter TDI engine, same as mine. He told me about the shit happened to the engine beside the crap on the ECU: water pump fails, valve cover sealing fails, AC coolant leackages...my engine is just on 30,000 km, his is on 80,000 km...should sell that shit for a old B-series or H-series Honda like the Prelude, who never failed .

VW CEO Müller, your company is still a disaster in organization, by introducing English as company language you won't solve it. Internally: corrupt or not complient managment guys have to be kicked out. What about yourself, feel good and without any fault? Externally: your first priority are VW's customers, paying your earnings and bonus. Concentrate yourself and work on that!

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...porsche-models
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VW Reaches Deal for Emissions-Cheating Audi, Porsche Models
by Kartikay Mehrotra
and Margaret Cronin Fisk
December 20, 2016, 2:08 PM EST December 20, 2016, 2:42 PM EST

Carmaker will fix or buy back 80,000 vehicles from U.S. owners
Agreement also covers claims against VW supplier Bosch

Volkswagen AG reached an agreement with U.S. car owners and regulators to fix or buy back about 80,000 Audi, VW and Porsche vehicles with emissions-cheating 3.0-liter diesel engines.

The accord covering the 2014 Volkswagen Touareg, some 2015 Porsche models and some 2016 Audi models resolves another significant piece of Volkswagen’s emissions-cheating scandal. The company admitted last year that about 11 million diesel cars worldwide were outfitted with a so-called defeat device to game U.S. environmental tests.

Details of the agreement, including its cost to the German carmaker, weren’t disclosed during a brief hearing Tuesday in San Francisco federal court. Some details of the agreement would be disclosed in court filings later Tuesday, the judge said.

The accord provides for repairing the cars if a fix is approved by the government, and like an earlier deal covering 2-liter engines, includes an offer to buy back at least some vehicles. The agreement also covers claims against VW supplier Robert Bosch Gmbh.

VW called the deal announced Tuesday “another important step forward in our efforts to make things right for our customers.”
‘Earning Back’

“We are committed to earning back the trust of all our stakeholders and thank our customers and dealers for their patience as the process moves forward,” the company said in a statement.

U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer gave his final approval in October to the carmaker’s settlement covering 480,000 Volkswagens with 2.0-liter engines.

Tuesday’s agreement came after Breyer offered parties four extensions in December to reach a deal, including two on Dec. 16 during, what he called, “intense discussions." He gave lawyers for VW, car owners and the government the weekend to conclude negotiations before returning to court Monday in San Francisco, when parties were granted a “final continuance” to resolve “a complicated settlement” Breyer said.

The carmaker’s agreement with the Environmental Protection Agency and California’s Air Resources Board calls for VW to fix 60,000 3-liter vehicles and buy back about 19,000 older models that would be too complex to repair, people familiar with the matter have said. The recall plans involve a simple software update, and avoiding a full buyback of all the cars would save the company about $4 billion, the people said.

The case is In Re: Volkswagen “Clean Diesel” Marketing, Sales Practices and Products Liability Litigation, 15-02672, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California (San Francisco).
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They give a shit to customers and dealers here in Europe, even that little they where told to do they didn't fulfill up to now.

Just out of the fact of a different market and laws they can do it. I don't like their differentiating view here.

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Thanks for the video signalpuke! There is a lot's of information about the case...best was the defeat device description in written laws of different countries and it's consequences

More about how does the defeat device by Felix Domke, which did really a great job on that: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7904-sof...ined_emissions .The steering wheel angle dedection, VW's first answer while EPA was already talking with VW about the emissions results....

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Since January '17 the 1st Winterkorn get his undeserved company pension of 93,000 €/month plus company vehicle, both for lifetime. One steel framed and pieced window plus 4 walls would be a better fit ...but like in that area of income it mostly is, law and moral can be shifted like it is helpfully
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BERLIN -- The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation on Saturday arrested a Volkswagen AG executive suspected of participating in a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. in connection with the company's emissions-cheating scandal, according to people familiar with the situation.

The arrest comes as Volkswagen seeks to settle criminal allegations stemming from its admission in 2015 that it rigged nearly 600,000 diesel-powered cars sold in the U.S. to cheat on emissions tests. Volkswagen has agreed to pay up to $17.5 billion in the U.S. to settle claims with regulators, consumers, dealers and state attorneys general and could face another multibillion-dollar penalty in the expected criminal case.

Volkswagen declined to comment. The executive, Oliver Schmidt, couldn't be reached via email or his mobile phone for comment.

The news of Mr. Schmidt's arrest was reported earlier by the New York Times.

Mr. Schmidt served as head of Volkswagen Group of America's Engineering and Environmental Office in Ann Arbor, Mich., from 2014 to early 2015. He is still an employee of Volkswagen, based in Wolfsburg, Germany.

He was arrested in Florida and was set to be arraigned in Miami on Monday, and doesn't currently have a plea agreement with the U.S. Justice Department, one person said.

An indictment outlining the case against Mr. Schmidt was expected to be unsealed Monday, the people said.

Mr. Schmidt's arrest follows the indictment last year of James Liang, a veteran Volkswagen engineer who pleaded guilty to conspiring with other Volkswagen employees to defraud the U.S. through the diesel cheating. Mr. Liang hasn't been sentenced, pending his assistance in the federal investigation.


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DETROIT (AP) — The Volkswagen executive who once was in charge of complying with U.S. emissions regulations has been arrested in connection with the company's emissions-cheating scandal, a person briefed on the matter said Monday.

Oliver Schmidt, who was general manager of the engineering and environmental office for VW of America, was arrested during the weekend in the federal criminal investigation, said the person, who didn't want to be identified because they are not authorized to speak on the case.

Schmidt is the second VW employee to be arrested as the probe led by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Detroit continues. It's unclear what charges he faces. The New York Times reported that he's expected to be arraigned Monday in a federal courtroom in Detroit.

Schmidt's bio for a 2012 auto industry conference said Schmidt was responsible for ensuring that vehicles built for sale within the U.S. and Canada comply with "past, present and future air quality and fuel economy government standards in both countries." It says he served as the company's direct factory and government agency contact for emissions regulations.

Volkswagen has admitted that it programmed diesel-powered vehicles to turn pollution controls on during tests and turn them off in real-world driving. The scandal has cost VW sales and has tarnished its brand worldwide.

Volkswagen said in a statement Tuesday that it is cooperating with the Justice Department in the probe. "It would not be appropriate to comment on any ongoing investigations or to discuss personnel matters," the statement said.

The company has agreed to either repair the cars or buy them back as part of a $15 billion settlement approved by a federal judge in October. Volkswagen agreed to pay owners of 2-liter diesels up to $10,000 depending on the age of their cars.

In October, VW engineer James Robert Liang, of Newbury Park, California, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to defraud the government and agreed to cooperate with investigations in the U.S. and Germany. Liang was the first person to enter a plea in the wide-ranging case, and authorities were expected to use him to go after higher-ranking VW officials.

A grand jury indictment against Liang detailed a 10-year conspiracy by Volkswagen employees in the U.S. and Germany to repeatedly dupe U.S. regulators by using sophisticated emissions software. The indictment detailed e-mails between Liang and co-workers that initially admitted to cheating in an almost cavalier manner but then turned desperate after the deception was uncovered.

Tests commissioned by the nonprofit International Council on Clean Transportation in 2014 found that certain Volkswagen models with diesel engines emitted more than the allowable limit of pollutants. More than a year later, Volkswagen admitted to installing the software on about 500,000 2-liter diesel engines in VW and Audi models in the U.S. Later the company said some 3-liter diesels also cheated.

The Environmental Protection Agency found that the 2-liter cars emitted up to 40 times the legal limit for nitrogen oxide, which can cause human respiratory problems.

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Fiat Chrysler Accused of Diesel Emissions Cheating by U.S.
by Jamie Butters and Ryan Beene
January 12, 2017, 1:47 PM EST

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV was accused of violating pollution laws with 104,000 diesel vehicles, sending the shares plunging on the prospect the automaker may follow Volkswagen AG in facing billions of dollars in fines.



The Environmental Protection Agency alleged Fiat Chrysler put software in 2014-2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 models that allows them to exceed pollution limits. The EPA stopped short of calling the software a “defeat device” but said the carmaker failed to disclose its use. Fiat Chrysler said it meets all applicable regulatory requirements and will work with President-elect Donald Trump’s administration to contest the allegations.

Fiat Chrysler becomes the second automaker in less than three years the EPA has accused of violating the law by using software to help its diesel vehicles pass laboratory emissions tests. Volkswagen, which admitted to using defeat devices in September 2015, agreed Wednesday to pay a $4.3 billion fine, boosting the cost of the scandal to about 20.5 billion euros ($21.9 billion).

Fiat Chrysler’s case is “completely different” from Volkswagen’s, Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne said in a conference call with reporters Thursday. He called the timing of the EPA’s notice of a violation “very strange” and said the Italian-American automaker rescued by the Obama administration in 2009 had discussed emissions with the EPA for more than a year.

“I am really ticked off,” Marchionne said. Fiat Chrysler fell as much as 18 percent, the biggest intraday drop since the stock began trading in October 2014. The shares pared losses after the CEO’s conference call, trading down 8.6 percent to $10.13 as of 1:35 p.m. in New York.



Fiat Chrysler’s alleged violations could result in fines of as much as $44,539 per vehicle, Cynthia Giles, the EPA’s enforcement chief, said in a conference call. The total potential penalty could be as much as $4.6 billion, based on the cost per vehicle and the number of cars. Volkswagen faced punishment of up to about $18 billion.

‘Clear Violation’

“Our meetings with Fiat Chrysler to date have not produced a viable explanation” for the software, Giles said during a conference call the EPA hosted with reporters. “This is a clear violation of the Clean Air Act.”

Fiat Chrysler “intends to work with the incoming administration to present its case and resolve this matter fairly and equitably,” the automaker said in a statement. “The company’s diesel-powered vehicles meet all applicable regulatory requirements.”

The company’s bonds also fell. Its $1.47 billion of 5.25 percent coupon notes due in 2023 sank 4 cents to 99.7 cents at 11:19 a.m. in New York, according to Trace, the bond-price reporting system of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. That’s the biggest decline since the notes were sold in July 2015.

Enhanced Testing

The EPA says it discovered Fiat Chrysler’s allegedly illegal software while conducting enhanced testing of other diesel vehicles in the wake of VW’s scandal. The agency said it’s now up to Fiat Chrysler to demonstrate the software was not a defeat device like VW used.
“Chrysler’s alleged misbehavior -- rigging its trucks, VW-like, to increase pollution of our lungs and lying about it -- is appalling,” Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign, said in an e-mailed statement.

The EPA’s violation notice said Fiat Chrysler’s diesel engine system had eight control devices changing the emissions of the vehicles under certain conditions that the company didn’t disclose.

Not all such systems are cheat devices like Volkswagen used, said John German, senior fellow at the International Council on Clean Transportation, a Washington-based non-profit that conducts technical and scientific analysis. ICCT played a central role in exposing Volkswagen’s cheat devices.
Devices Allowed

German said the government allows control devices, but they can’t be used to change emissions to meet testing requirements and they must be disclosed.

“The EPA is still investigating whether these are cheat devices,” German said in a phone interview. “VW got hit hard because they lied, covered it up and didn’t have a fix.”

Marchionne said he presumes that the U.S. Justice Department is also investigating the company. The CEO insisted that the software wasn’t intended to bypass emissions tests or operate differently in evaluation than in real-world use, calling such allegations “absolute nonsense.”

“This software doesn’t look for anything,” he said. “It just runs.”



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snorky called it months ago, chrysler-fiat under scrutiny over emissions fraude
also takata adds millions more to their will kill you air bag list, thanks japan!
anyone else notice their lack of effort in replacing them? also seems honda is ignoring it and not pushing hard to replace the airbags. we received recall notices to have ours replaced but they were on back order almost a year ago. honda seems to not give a shit about it or those of us who buy their cars to daily drive them with our children in them.
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snorky called it months ago, chrysler-fiat under scrutiny over emissions fraude
also takata adds millions more to their will kill you air bag list, thanks japan!
anyone else notice their lack of effort in replacing them? also seems honda is ignoring it and not pushing hard to replace the airbags. we received recall notices to have ours replaced but they were on back order almost a year ago. honda seems to not give a shit about it or those of us who buy their cars to daily drive them with our children in them.
From what I hear there have been plenty of airbags for the Hondas in the past 2 months. Take it in...
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- I got a letter from VW, I should immediately go to VW distributor/workshop as the software update is ready. They only did talk about a software update and the work duration and a costless vehicle for that time of repair. 18 weeks after the first promised date...seems to be a very complicated correction of it

- US attorney's office Hausfeld and myRight (https://www.my-right.de/ and http://www.zeit.de/mobilitaet/2017-0...ericht-myright only in German) runs a damage suit against VW hear in Germany, as they get indirectly support by the European Commision, saying hear is something wrong, national governments repeat and clarify this. So it is an official stated by EU there where maybe illegal things happening...a sort of tailwind for MyRight. If they have success, there will be a huge wave of damage suits fall down on VW. We will see.

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That sounds like they are sure to get it done without fees.

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Against Martin Winterkorn a fraud investigation is started...time is running away. This could mean in case of guiltiness, VW is able to run a lawsuit against him and grab billions, at least the VW pension, of him. Good! Finally judicative and executive is going to work on that!

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